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RE: Well, I think that I tend to agree...

jjmac — Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:51 am

Author: jjmac

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:51 am

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What choices are you talking about?
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Those alluded to in the first thread post.

jm

RE: Well, I think that I tend to agree...

gundam_rx78nt1 — Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:18 pm

Author: gundam_rx78nt1

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:18 pm

jjmac said:
Thats often stated, if so ... then the choices need to be available. It's almost funny in a way, when a person is very new to windows, and their going through an install ... and the installer starts to mention the ability windows has of providing a multi-boot environment. Their use of the term "other operating systems" ... until it's realised that they actually mean other windows versions

What choices are you talking about? Take any flavour of linux, you get to select what packages you want installed. You want Blender or Gimp? You want koffice, openoffice, staroffice? Oh, don't get me started on media players... You select what you want on your machine. Just because you use xmms all the time doesn't mean that I have to. What if instead of xmms I want to use noatun? Those are the choices that I am talking about. Choices that make you get the most out of your box, no matter what type it is. Only you know what you want to do with it. You choose.

RE: Well, I think that I tend to agree...

jjmac — Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:31 pm

Author: jjmac

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:31 pm

A-Wing wrote (page 1)

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My thinking was that a lot of people now have uncapped or high capped 1M or 2M connections now and can download CDs quite easily. That way there may be a way for a cheaper 'disc free' edition.
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My thinking is the opposite, and isn't that partly what the thread is getting at. Just what is the focus. Isn't Linux aimed at the people, rather than a system designed to support one particular agenda and so act as a form of control ... as MS is.

Can't say iv'e seen any reliable profiling on that though. It seems when ever demographics are offered concerning computing issues/usage, there always seems to be a marketing based agenda hidden behind them. As displayed in MS recent expression on OSS systems costing more than their own

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And someone stop my father-in-law from bringing round Windows mags when he knows none of my machines run Windows!
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(grin) Would you ignore the overseas press just because you don't live there

Some one else:

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Now, I tend to skip the X vs Y stuff for if I am not wrong, linux is about choices.
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Thats often stated, if so ... then the choices need to be available. It's almost funny in a way, when a person is very new to windows, and their going through an install ... and the installer starts to mention the ability windows has of providing a multi-boot environment. Their use of the term "other operating systems" ... until it's realised that they actually mean other windows versions . I suppose a good brief could make it stick in court though.

jm

RE: Well, I think that I tend to agree...

Erin — Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:55 pm

Author: Erin

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:55 pm

The 'W' word is work. Not quite the harsh mistress I'd truly like but that is another story. Still, very good to see the authors here. Nice touch indeed even if F1GP is dragged into the forum! Only joshing.

Like some of gundam's suggestions too. How to do stuff, how to make a box productive, setting up an internal <some> server and making it public facing. DMZs, more PERL, more PhP, A-Z on simple coding but not sticking with one language/syntax but jumping around to emphasise code theory, use of some CLI tools and even <gulp> GUI equivalents and so on. How about a good tut on a silent(ish) cube boxen with wireless (IrDA, BT etc.) joystick/pak, kb and rodent with S/PDIF for home cinema, plugable into HDTV/Plasma/LCD TV and will run *nix. Environmental aspect such as DPMS on X and so on. There is such huge scope to pick up on and dabble with to emphasise the good within LXF.

Just a few ideas. Well, better than flexing the grey matter on safety cases all day!

Erin

Well, I think that I tend to agree...

gundam_rx78nt1 — Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:06 pm

Author: gundam_rx78nt1

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:06 pm

The reason for why I say this is because I remember starting to read this magazine last year and I was purchasing it for USD:$17.00 per issue. I then got a subscription from my wife as a Christmas gift.

I am now finding that I am not reading as much of the magazine as before. At the begining, I was reading from cover to cover. Now, I tend to skip the X vs Y stuff for if I am not wrong, linux is about choices. What do I want in my box to help me get things accomplished and make me feel good? Only I can decide but I am getting away from the topic.

I see that the magazine is getting "fillers" that sometimes doesn't really casue any interest. For example: the review of the Happy Hacker Keyboard... why would I want to have a half fast keyboard that cost over $120??? Darn, for that much money, I'd get myself a wireless keyboard and work with that for half the price.

Your tutorials are good, but some of the readers can't benefit from jumping in at the half point (the gimp tutorials for example, if I could only get my hands on the past ones... I would really get to use this program for more than just to resize my pictures to put on my website or screen). Now, I see that you compare groups of software, how about review in the tutorials on how to set them up? Example, you did the email server software comparison not to long ago. What about a tutorial to setup a simple Exim server? That is what I like about the magazine, your "how-to" tutorials really works and I get to learn more about my system and it's capabilities than just reading a manual that has 140+ pages.

I have never thought about setting up a server once I started. With the help of your magazine, I have now 6 boxes networked and hosting my own website on my apache server. That was in a year! Think of what I could accomplish with more of the right tutorials? I am proud to show off my system to the "windo$" lovers. Well, now I am rambling... I think I should go and grab some sleep. Early day tomorrow and I have been working 29 hours straight. Oilfield services, got to love it.

Re: Whether to renew my subscription or not.

M-Saunders — Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:20 am

Author: M-Saunders

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:20 am

Pah! Why you... I mean, yes boss...

That said, there's no such thing as "honest criticism" about F1GP, for F1GP is perfect, and it cannot ever be dissed. Ever. Well, it's a shame the cars can't flip over...

Actually no, it's perfect after all. Don't we all agree?

M

Re: Whether to renew my subscription or not.

evilnick — Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:47 am

Author: evilnick

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:47 am

Everyone on LXF is brave enough to listen to honest criticism, even shortarse new boys who like F1GP: isn't that right Mike?

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my

M-Saunders — Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:20 am

Author: M-Saunders

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:20 am

Erin wrote:

that awful W thing that gets in the way of FOSS gets in the way of posting and social life too.

W thing... Work? Wife? Windows?

Erin wrote:

Seeing that and that of M-Saunders (Mike) adds confidence. Seeing staff write replies to comments, which must have seen harsh, is a very decent thing to do.

Cool. IMO nothing can be harsh if it's a genuine concern from a regular reader -- it's always good to consider improvements. Someone just coming in and saying "LXF sucks" wouldn't do much good, but fair and detailed comments are always food for thought!

M

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subs

Erin — Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:36 pm

Author: Erin

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:36 pm

Hudzilla/Paul,

Thank you for your long and useful reply. I will email you directly and make it obvious I am Erin! Sorry for the delayed reply but that awful W thing that gets in the way of FOSS gets in the way of posting and social life too. However, on the up side, I renewed my subscription tonight before I read your reply. Seeing that and that of M-Saunders (Mike) adds confidence. Seeing staff write replies to comments, which must have seen harsh, is a very decent thing to do.

Thanks and I do look forward to the PhP articles equally as much as the PERL ones.
Erin

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subscrip

A-Wing — Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:25 pm

Author: A-Wing

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:25 pm

mugstar wrote:

I'd rather my two-year-old ate Free software than proprietary. At least I can see what's in it.

Plus we use proprietary discs to clean the toilet

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Nobber — Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:37 pm

Author: Nobber

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:37 pm

My son has had a stuffed Tux toy since he was eight months old. He's 17 months old now, and hasn't looked back (at any other OS-related stuffed toy) since.

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subscription

mugstar — Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:43 pm

Author: mugstar

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:43 pm

I'd rather my two-year-old ate Free software than proprietary. At least I can see what's in it.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subscription or

lurgee — Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:50 pm

Author: lurgee

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:50 pm

A-Wing wrote:

Nigel wrote:

Hey - another way to spread the good word
Even better - give them to your kids' friends, and maybe they'll see the light too

My kids are 3 years old and 1 year old, their friends would probably try and eat them.

You can never start them out on the right path too early!

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subscription or

A-Wing — Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:58 am

Author: A-Wing

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:58 am

Nigel wrote:

A-Wing wrote:

Very true, and I am impressed with the content and workmanship behind the discs. I just never find time to use them
I just give tend to let my kids play with them while I read the mag

Hey - another way to spread the good word
Even better - give them to your kids' friends, and maybe they'll see the light too

My kids are 3 years old and 1 year old, their friends would probably try and eat them.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Whether to renew my subscription or

Nigel — Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:21 am

Author: Nigel

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:21 am

A-Wing wrote:

Very true, and I am impressed with the content and workmanship behind the discs. I just never find time to use them
I just give tend to let my kids play with them while I read the mag

Hey - another way to spread the good word
Even better - give them to your kids' friends, and maybe they'll see the light too