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RolandS



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: Only older Linux distributions run on my new pc[Solved] Reply with quote

Why can't I install new Linux versions on my new pc, while they run smoothlessly on my old laptop?

My new pc is a Packard-Bell iXtreme I6803 and Samsung 24” screen; dual boot Win7 and Mint 10; they run without any problem.
Specs:
Intel® Core™ i5
product: nVidia Corporation
vendor: nVidia Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:fa000000-faffffff memory:f0000000-f7ffffff memory:f8000000-f9ffffff ioport:e000(size=128) memory:fb000000-fb07ffff
nVidia GeForce GT420

I tried several live-cd's, and managed to run and install Ubuntu 11.10 in Unity mode, however when I installed Gnome-shell, the installation stopped (with or without Nvidia prop drivers).

I tried Mint 12 (compatability mode, nomodeset), and either: black screen, halt during boot, fall back mode. Once or twice I managed to install Mint 12 on a extern HD, but found myself in a terminal-like environment after boot.

Fedora16 live cd: fail
OpenSuse (latest version): fail
Netrunner 4: fail.

I changed my graphics card (Geforce 440) and tried a ATI card (don't know which type) and switched monitor: fail!
What hardware in this pc which is causing all these troubles?

Thanks for any suggestion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woah! Never seen so many issues with modern hardware and an up to date distro. The only thing I suspect is a clash between Unity and Gnome Shell, but installing Mint 12 shouldn't have given you the problems it did.

Wish I had the skills to figure it out for you, since I probably would have tried most of what you did.

Good luck. Hope you get it sorted soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks helowge,

Almost 150 users read my message now.

Maybe someone can help me? I have additional information about my system:

Code:
System:    Host roland-desktopMint Kernel 2.6.35-22-generic-pae i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 10 Julia
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-2300 (-MCP-) cache 6144 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips 22347.1
           Clock Speeds: (1) 1600.00 MHz (2) 1900.00 MHz (3) 1600.00 MHz (4) 1600.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card nVidia Device 0de2 X.Org 1.9.0 Res: 1920x1080@50.0hz
           GLX Renderer GeForce GT 420/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 4.1.0 NVIDIA 260.19.06 Direct Rendering Yes
Audio:     Card-1 nVidia Device 0bea driver HDA Intel BusID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Intel Cougar Point High Definition Audio Controllerdriver HDA Intel BusID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.23
Network:   Card Intel 82579V Gigabit Network Connection driver e1000e v: 1.0.2-k4 at port f040 BusID: 00:19.0
Disks:     HDD Total Size: 2250.5GB (5.8% used) 1: /dev/sda WDC_WD10EARS 1000.2GB
           2: USB /dev/sdb 2500JB_External 250.1GB 3: USB /dev/sdh Bell_Go 1000.2GB
Partition: ID:/ size: 579G used: 49G (9%) fs: ext4
Info:      Processes 216 Uptime 3 min Memory 435.8/4004.2MB Runlevel 2 Client Shell inxi 1.4.12
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nvidia troubles are just what loads of us have been experiencing. The new default driver used by debian squeeze, ubuntu whatever and mint 12 apparently breaks a fair scatter of chips/cards, including the framebuffer - the default we can always fall back on when other things break - and it is not easy to roll back. IMHO a real dumb-bunny bad by the distro teams, especially debian stable should have known better.

I was able to fix my desktop PC only by swapping to a different graphics card (also nvidia).

Not sure why the ATI should fail, can't even remember if support is generally as good as for nvidia. How many distros did you try on it?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disable the nouveau driver and get the official nVidia 3D drivers from the nVidia website (don't bother with the ones in the repo's) Mind that you'd need to install the nVidia driver as root on the cli, not in a terminal!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dutch_Master wrote:
Disable the nouveau driver and get the official nVidia 3D drivers from the nVidia website (don't bother with the ones in the repo's) Mind that you'd need to install the nVidia driver as root on the cli, not in a terminal!

Yes, that was the difficult bit. Has anyone posted a genuinely complete and bugfree HowTo yet? (I'm way past the need, but others may find it handy).
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RolandS



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The nvidia troubles are just what loads of us have been experiencing.

So where is everybody? I was thinking I was the only one having these problems. Searched in a lot of forums.

Quote:
Disable the nouveau driver and get the official nVidia 3D drivers from the nVidia website (don't bother with the ones in the repo's) Mind that you'd need to install the nVidia driver as root on the cli, not in a terminal!

I think I will stick to Mint 10 for the moment, and will see if Mint 13 is more successfull for me. Or, when I have the courage, I will try one day again another graphic card; this is easier for me than working with the cli (remember: installing or even starting a live session is the problem).

Thanks for the comments anyway!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RolandS wrote:
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The nvidia troubles are just what loads of us have been experiencing.

So where is everybody?


They're all the people reading your thread in the hope that someone is going to deliver up an easy answer.
My only newish hardware only has Intel graphics, so I can't actually offer anything helpful. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The intel i5 processor has limited built in on chip graphics. It looks from the image that the Packard-Bell iXtreme I6803 has a cover fitted over the motherboard dvi port.

If this is the case I would unplug the nvidia graphics card. Remove the cover off the built in dvi port (located on the rear next to the 4 usb ports) and plug your monitor into there.

If your machine boots into a desktop with a live distro this will prove your problem is with your graphics card or its driver.

Hope this is some help.
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RolandS



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would unplug the nvidia graphics card. Remove the cover off the built in dvi port (located on the rear next to the 4 usb ports) and plug your monitor into there.


Thank you; I will try this one of these days, and will let you know the result.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Mint 12 on my main desktop, but on my netbook, where I've got a much lighter spec, I find Gnome 2 works better than Gnome 3, so I've gone with Mint 11. Maybe you could try that, or Xubuntu 11.10?
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RolandS



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heiowge wrote:
I use Mint 12 on my main desktop, but on my netbook, where I've got a much lighter spec, I find Gnome 2 works better than Gnome 3, so I've gone with Mint 11. Maybe you could try that, or Xubuntu 11.10?


Yes, of course; but I can't stand that my new pc, with higher specs than my old laptop, is not capable of running the newest versions. It is partly curiosity: why??
And I would like to run Mint 12 on it as Mint 10 will not be supported by the end of the year (I think).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris0161 wrote:
The intel i5 processor has limited built in on chip graphics. It looks from the image that the Packard-Bell iXtreme I6803 has a cover fitted over the motherboard dvi port.

If this is the case I would unplug the nvidia graphics card. Remove the cover off the built in dvi port (located on the rear next to the 4 usb ports) and plug your monitor into there.

If your machine boots into a desktop with a live distro this will prove your problem is with your graphics card or its driver.

Hope this is some help.


I removed the nVidia card and used the built in card (analogue in my case); then I could easily boot the Mint 12 live cd!
I installed Mint12 (my prefered distro) on an extern HD, but could not boot, not even in recovery mode.

Next I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on the extern HD, installed Gnome-shell, and could boot.

Then, very sneaky, I put the nvidia card back again; Ubuntu booted in fall-back mode (is that the right word?), even after having installed the recommended drivers. So no gnome-shell possible in my system with either nvidia 420, 440, or ATI Radeon HD 5450.

Thanks for your advice.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(moderator, can you please mark this thread as 'solved'?)

Finally I managed (with trial and error) to install Mint 12 as follows:

1. I started the liveCD Mint, not in compatability mode, but with settings 'nomodeset' and 'acpi=off'. The live desktop is Gnome, not Gnome-shell.

2. Installed Mint 12 and rebooted

3. On rebooting: scrambled screen; ctrl+alt+backspace brought me back to the Gnome desktop

4. installed updates, restarted, again ctrl+alt+backspace

5. installed recommended NVidia drivers

6. rebooted: Gnome-shell!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will mark it as solved but, as always the original poster should edit their first post and mark it themselves, this is after all a self-help forum Wink
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