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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ram wrote:
wyliecoyoteuk wrote:


Note that it is impossible to totally remove DRM from Windows, it is built in to the Kernel at a very low level.


You beat me to that one...


I'm falling behind on my correspondence here, so what follows is my 'nail two birds with one stone' ploy to try and cut corners.

It ain't necessary to "totally remove DRM" from XP Pro to render it harmless and helpless. True, one like myself would much prefer total eradication, but then there would be little reason to switch to Linux. You only need to erase enough of Lil Billies DRM crud (er, I mean wonderful hidden 'features') to render it null, and stop it from replicating what you deleted. Research indicates I'll be able to erase about 90%, and I'm hopeful continued Google searches will yield more results. As for Vista & Win7, decrudifying these look to be a lost cause, although the script kiddies still seem to be hopeful (I've been a dedicated lurker on their sites for quite a while).
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but at the end of the day the kernel is closed and there is nothing you can do about if an updates activates a new feature until someone comes along to close it for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't remove or disable all DRM in Windows because it is built-in at the lowest level.
Unless you run an illegal hacked version. What do you think the windows license code is? Yep, its DRM, and just the tip of the iceberg.

The stuff you are worrying about in the Linux kernel is just minor optional stuff compared to what's enforced in the fundamental NT kernel.
There is no way that anyone but Microsoft can truly know what's in there, whereas the Linux kernel is open, anyone can view what's in it, and can recompile it to suit themselves.

Anyway, DRM is not really a thing in itself, it is simply a way of using security systems.
Those systems usually have perfectly legitimate uses.

What you haven't said is why are you so determined to remove all security measures from your kernel?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
What you haven't said is why are you so determined to remove all security measures from your kernel?


He's not, AFAICT. Removing it all is easy enough, but the OP seems to want a distro where someone else has already done this for him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, but if someone else has compiled the Kernel, how can he be sure?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He can't, which is why he needs to compile his own kernel - although some kernels do export their config to /proc/config.gz.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if he get lxf 160 there's a brief article to help him...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ram wrote:
Yes but at the end of the day the kernel is closed and there is nothing you can do about if an updates activates a new feature until someone comes along to close it for you.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/microsoft_update_quietly_insta.html

Yes, the kernel is closed...for now. That don't mean some nasty script kiddie won't crack it tomorrow, next month, etc.
Its a waiting game, and one reason why I'm a devoted lurker on the cracker sites. As for Microsoft Updates, do you really think after the firefox sabotage (linked to above) I would trust them to access my PC, anymore than Sony (after their rootkit fiasco)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that's nothing to do with the kernel, just a Microsoft registry hack.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is getting dangerously long. Has it hit Godwin's law yet?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is Godwin? Some sort of DRM Nazi?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's it then Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except you can't invoke Godwin's Law deliberately, so all I've done is condemn this topic to eternal continuation... or at least until the OP gets the idea of an open source kernel Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, he's raised it in the Debian forums, and they're an argumentative lot so I expect it will get a good airing there. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roseway wrote:
Don't worry, he's raised it in the Debian forums, and they're an argumentative lot ... Very Happy


No they're not! Twisted Evil
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