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Rhakios Moderator

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: Pathetic news story of the week |
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My nomination for pathetic news story of the week goes to The H, for this story.
It seems that we must all quake in our boots at the thought that Linux is vulnerable to USB drives carrying malware. All we need to do is, fail to keep our systems up to date, disable a couple of security mechanisms, and insert the specially crafted drive.
To be fair, the security specialist must have started work on this before the vulnerability in Evince was fixed and says he can get around the two mechanisms without disabling them manually beforehand. And he has so much confidence in his ability to do this, that he is happy to tell his audience about, but not actually demonstrate it.
I have no doubt that Linux is vulnerable in a number of ways, especially through methods designed to gull the careless user, but please, please, please, can we just have someone demonstrate something that works properly without resorting to "fixes" to get things going. Otherwise, this just reads like pathetic scaremongering. _________________ Bye, Rhakios |
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Bazza LXF regular

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Rhakios...
> And he has so much confidence in his ability to do this, that
> he is happy to tell his audience about, but not actually
> demonstrate it.
Yeah I noticed that too.
My Windies box caught a Virus/Worm/Whatever last night.
Didn`t bother me much, soon got rid of it... _________________ 73...
Bazza, G0LCU...
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LeeNukes LXF regular

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Still interesting, but as with most things, if someone has physical access to the system, consider it compromised. _________________ Join GiffGaff and get £5 free credit |
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wyliecoyoteuk LXF regular

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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As always, if you have system which has oit been updated for 6 months, do this...and this... and click on this... you perhaps get Linux virus or malware.
Whereas windows systems get viruses just by being connected or browsing a web page. meh
I know Linux us NOT invulnerable but really... _________________ The sig between the asterisks is so cool that only REALLY COOL people can even see it!
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nelz Moderator

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| LeeNukes wrote: | | Still interesting, but as with most things, if someone has physical access to the system, consider it compromised. |
You don't need physical access for this, just give out free USB sticks. _________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Albert Einstein) |
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bobthebob1234 LXF regular

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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or drop them around. Its amazing what curiosity will make people do. _________________ For certain you have to be lost to find the places that can't be found. Elseways, everyone would know where it was |
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Dutch_Master LXF regular
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:01 am Post subject: |
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And even then: how can you be sure that stick is found by someone who uses Linux, hasn't updated for ages, is stupid enough do follow the instructions w/o knowing what they are and keep the stick inserted when he finds it's infected...? I think you'd have a better chance winning the lottery  |
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Rhakios Moderator

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| bobthebob1234 wrote: | | or drop them around. Its amazing what curiosity will make people do. |
Really?  _________________ Bye, Rhakios |
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Ram LXF regular

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Rhakios wrote: | | bobthebob1234 wrote: | | or drop them around. Its amazing what curiosity will make people do. |
Really?  |
Curiosity killed the cat, but I'm not pressing that in work time. _________________
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nelz Moderator

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Dutch_Master wrote: | | And even then: how can you be sure that stick is found by someone who uses Linux, hasn't updated for ages, is stupid enough do follow the instructions w/o knowing what they are and keep the stick inserted when he finds it's infected...? |
Dual infected sticks, work on Windows and Linux.
The fix in evince is quite recent.
Never underestimate stupidity.
There are no instructions to follow, all they have to do is view the stick contents in Nautilus.
See third point.
Actually, you don't necessarily need to keep the stick inserted, if the malware's first step is to copy itself to your hard drive. _________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Albert Einstein) |
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Bazza LXF regular

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi nelz...
> Never underestimate stupidity.
Guilty as charged m`lud. _________________ 73...
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Rhakios Moderator

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| nelz wrote: |
Dual infected sticks, work on Windows and Linux.
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Good to see you have a plan.
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There are no instructions to follow, all they have to do is view the stick contents in Nautilus.
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Yes there are, you have disable two security features first. The method of getting around them hasn't been demonstrated. _________________ Bye, Rhakios |
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nelz Moderator

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Weren't those security features enabled quite recently? Meaning anything not up to date is vulnerable. _________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Albert Einstein) |
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Rhakios Moderator

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| nelz wrote: | | Weren't those security features enabled quite recently? Meaning anything not up to date is vulnerable. |
I don't know about ASLR, but AppArmor has been around for quite a while now. For openSUSE users, some years, not so sure about other distros. _________________ Bye, Rhakios |
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nelz Moderator

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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ah yes, I'd forgotten that it needed AppArmor turning off. _________________ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Albert Einstein) |
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