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Robert109



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Since I was having small problems with wine and I really wanted to play a few pc games a friend told me to install window 7....so I did on a seprate hardrive...
Ill do it in order
update,crash,crash,update,restart open itunes,freezes force shut down, update, install game, update,restart,freeze

Than went on for 3 days solid.... I admit Im abit thick when it comes to windows but this was taking the p*ss....so now Im back to ubuntu never again will I use windows


now to get wine to work

sorry just wanted to rant a little
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that if you install anti virus before going on the internet or plugging in any external media (quite a feat...) then it is usable for about 2-3hrs (the time it takes for me to get bored playing the game I am playing).

However steam seems to work only on full moons.


Oh and side rant:
Win 7 corrupted my user file a while back so I had to make a new user and I tried to copy over my save games but it didn't work Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really folks. It should be possible to multiboot Ubuntu and Win7 without too much trouble. Installing Winders can be problematic and certainly time consuming. I don't use WInders myself, but I have to work with all OS's and many multiboot situations. It's really not as bad as you make out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Robert109 wrote:
update,crash,crash,update,restart open itunes,freezes force shut down, update, install game, update,restart,freeze


Hmm, yes, I know what you mean...

Installation fails before completion, freezes, force reboot, installation completes, wrong resolution, can't see bottom of screen as a result, need to get nvidia driver, three more freezes while trying to do this, three more forced reboots, eventually get nvidia driver installed, everything now hunky dory.

os? not win 7 (never had that crash on me yet), but openSUSE 11.4 Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Marrea wrote:

os? not win 7 (never had that crash on me yet), but openSUSE 11.4 Razz


Crumbs! Looks like a rough ride. Considering I've done one upgrade from 11.3 on real hardware and two installs (32-bit and 64-bit) on VMWare without any problems, I can only offer sympathy, rather than commiseration. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win7 regularly crashes on my Dell Latitude Laptop.
For example, if it goes into standby (even though I have turned that off, it still does it after 30 minutes or so without use) It always crashes after wakeup.
It sometimes crashes when I plug the power lead in, and sometimes when I plug an extra monitor in.

And yes it always has the latest patches installed, it is just buggy.

I must admit that I do have a LOT of applications installed, but they are all required for my job.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Rhakios wrote:
Crumbs! Looks like a rough ride.


No, not really. Smile

Iíve already installed openSUSE 11.4 onto my old HP ze4505ea laptop with no problems (apart from it running slightly slowly at times - to be expected I suppose on a laptop of that age).

The installation I refer to above was today onto my multiboot Asus Terminator TR-2 desktop with a GeForce FX 5200 graphics card. Iíve had problems before with Fedora locking up on the Asus too. I think the default nouveau driver is the culprit. As soon as I manage to get the nvidia driver installed itís OK, but itís a bit difficult to get it installed when the machine keeps freezing!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asus Terminators have a habit of locking up anyway. (at least the older models)
We have 2 of them, sitting in the "spare parts/skip fodder" section of the IT office. They would often freeze in XP, one was fairly stable on Ubuntu then the PSU died.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Marrea wrote:
I think the default nouveau driver is the culprit. As soon as I manage to get the nvidia driver installed itís OK, but itís a bit difficult to get it installed when the machine keeps freezing!
Boot in Single User Mode. You need to kill X anyway, as the nVidia driver won't install when it's running Wink To get a proper working DE w/o the newvoo rubbish, try the VESA driver in your xorg.conf Smile No 3D, but at least no freezes either Razz

PS: I have the same FX5200 fanless videocard in another system, works a treat! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk

I am currently running Windows 7 on two laptops and one desktop and have not had any crashing problems. One thing I have noticed on the desktop though is that Win 7 can be a bit temperamental with USB devices. Every so often when I plug in an external hard drive or a card reader it fails to recognise them and I have to remove and reinsert the device, sometimes more than once, before it will work. I find this rather irritating. Never used to happen with XP.

I have standby turned off on my laptops too but then I never leave them unused for any length of time so can't say what would happen after a wakeup.

I have a fair number of applications installed, photo editing, video editing, music, MS Office, Nero, for example, but Iím just a home user so my needs are fairly basic, nowhere near the amount of stuff you must have!

On the whole, I think Win 7 is a pretty good os.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: windows 7.....urgh Reply with quote

Dutch_Master wrote:
You need to kill X anyway, as the nVidia driver won't install when it's running Wink

I just use the driver from the SUSE "download.nvidia.com" repo, installing via YaST, followed by a reboot.

But I think next time I do a new SUSE installation, I'll try and sort out the graphics via zypper rather than YaST.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
Asus Terminators have a habit of locking up anyway. (at least the older models)

Mine dates from 2005 and I bought it as a spare machine specifically to use as a multiboot Linux test box. And, yes, it has had a tendency to lock up on occasion but usually with the same distros - SUSE and Fedora. Not had any real problems on that score with others such as Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Zenwalk, SimplyMepis to name but a few.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marrea wrote:


I have a fair number of applications installed, photo editing, video editing, music, MS Office, Nero, for example, but Iím just a home user so my needs are fairly basic, nowhere near the amount of stuff you must have!

On the whole, I think Win 7 is a pretty good os.


Yes, I have network MFD utilities, management and network tools for 6 different Manufacturers (that adds up to about 40+ programs alone), Office 2007 (which often seems to be the problem), Database manipulation tools, reporting tools, network tools (such as LDAP and MIB browsers), Web tools, a Remote Telecomms manager, Several Image and DTP packages, Virtualbox and VirtualXPmode (which I'm planning to uninstall, its just too slow).
All in, around 100 applications, not counting any that I test in VMs.
I dread moving this lot to a new PC, but this lappy is nearly 4 years old, and I can't put it off much longer.

Our Windows 7 clients are OK most of the time, apart from the occasional blip, like last week after an update they all announced that they were "illegal copies" on boot up, then after a few minutes, announced that they were now activated!
The bulk of our PCs are still XP, and they tick over OK.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
Our Windows 7 clients are OK most of the time, apart from the occasional blip, like last week after an update they all announced that they were "illegal copies" on boot up, then after a few minutes, announced that they were now activated!


Yes, I had the self-same thing happen earlier this month on my desktop copy of Windows 7. I received a message telling me "Windows is not genuine. Your computer might be running a counterfeit copy of WindowsĒ. I thought to myself "Don't talk such rot, of course it's genuine." !!

I believe it's caused by update KB971033 - see article at http://www.brighthub.com/hubfolio/arun-kumar-m/articles/85449.aspx
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marrea wrote:
I believe it's caused by update KB971033 - see article at http://www.brighthub.com/hubfolio/arun-kumar-m/articles/85449.aspx


Thanks for the link, Marrea. Control Panel tells me I have installed KB971033 but so far (touch wood) I haven't been accused of running a pirated copy of Windows. But it took nearly 5 minutes for Control Panel > Programs and Features to find and list my installed updates. This is on a quad-core machine, for Heavens sake! Bored of waiting, I tried to do a bit of web-surfing but Firefox froze on me while Control Panel was doing its glacial stuff.

I realise that Microsoft have the right to do something about rampant piracy, but do they really want to drive all their users towards Linux or MacOS?

Hmm. Would that be a bad thing, though? Smile
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