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towy71 · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Micro$oft in trouble?

It is reported that Microparp are having to rewrite 60% of the code for Vista see here, well there is a surprise Rolling Eyes

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shifty_ben · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: RE: Micro$oft in trouble?

Well they have delayed it, and I saw a link somewhere in the forums to some very disgruntled employees.
I like the strategy, major problems so they restructure the teams Smile

definitely a company run by suits and not programmers. They should have known that essentially rebranding W2k would come back to bite them
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wyliecoyoteuk · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: RE: Micro$oft in trouble?

Personally, I think XP stinks, and Vaster will stink more.
The win2k GUI was far better than the XP mess. The problem is that MS have to change the frontend to look different, or it won't sell.
Xp was far more stable, more secure., and more efficient, until you look at the frontend, which was confusing, clumsy, and positively unintuitive.
Basically, you had to retrain users to operate a GUI that takes more mouse clicks to do any given job.-a disaster.
I have heard retraining as a major issue for moving from Windoze to LInux- moving from win2k to XP has far more retraining issues than moving from Win2k to KDE.
I have moved users from Win2K and office2K to Suse9.2 and OO.o with virtually no training.
I have watched users in my customer's offices struggling with XP.

Far too many "features" are becoming "issues" e.g. personalised menus-what a waste of time! Most users have a problem realising that they have to hit the down arrow to access the full menu, and cLick on something else when the option they are looking for is not there straight away.
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lol Does anyone on this forum like ms?

Nigel · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject:

pins · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject:

I love my microsoft intellimouse. I have very large hands, and this is the only mouse that I have ever found really comfortable. So, bizarley I concur that microsoft make great hardware, I used to have one of their joysticks, too...

Marrea · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:

GMorgan · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject:

To be fair I find one GUI to be the same as another provided they allow you to modify the menus easily. On top of this the Windows GUI hasn't changed a great deal in principle since Win95. Still the basic layout out of start menu and tool bar, my computer and such still perform roughly the same tasks (though in higher resolutions with pretty colours). The places where they've changed is the Blue screen of death disappeared to be replaced with more security flaws than seems humanly posible.

pins · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:46 am Post subject:

Ha! wouldn't this be funny: if hackers got frustrated attacking windoze, cos the machines would crash before they could do anything...

towy71 · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

it makes me spit feathers but I wouldn't be without my intelimouse from :hack:spit: M$
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wyliecoyoteuk · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject:

Personally, I find that each new version of the windows GUI may make things easier for users (except for the changes to the start menu, the jury is out on that).
BUT.... they make it harder and harder to fix things when the idiot's guide goes wrong.
Call it the Apple effect if you like.
As long as everything works, it works.
When it goes wrong ,it really goes wrong, and it is harder to put right..

To do any serious configuration in XP takes far more mouse clicks (this is in addition to the "you shoudn't even think of looking at the contents of this folder" messages)..

For example, I recently found a printer which couldn't be installed unless you selected "advanced" in the first page of the install wizard, and navigated to the printer drivers manually, mainly because the PC didn't have a network connection.

People want a "just works" experience, but it still lets them down.

As for Marrea's comment, I know many people (mostly my customers) who hate the XP start menu (and the new control panel view, the new network view, etc), they may use it. (mainly because they don't realise that they can turn it off), but they find in confusing and wonder why on earth it was changed.

I personally hate it because I thnk that it is poor design, and far less intuitive than its precursor.

For example, in network places>entire network, PCs are displayed in alphabetical order by name, but the first displayed property is the comment, not the name.
This means that in the displayed listing, I have a client description of "Samba server 3.1" (Fordprefect). instead of Fordprefect (samba server 3.1), yet it still appears between "Windows 2003 server"(eldorado) and "Windows xp workstation" (griffin) in the list.
This is just noise that makes life harder.

I could go on..and on.. and on... Just dont get me started on windows 2003 server or policy defaults....GRRR
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phorneker · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: RE: Re: Micro$oft in trouble?

This is typical of what goes on at M$. The same type of problems were exhibited with the release of Windows 95, when many 486 users found their systems slow at best and non-functional at worst. This is what drove me to migrate to OS/2 from Windows 3.1 back in December 1995.

...and let's not talk about what happened with the release of the XBox 360.

If Vista is released with the same type of scenario, be ready for a mass migration to Linux, especially when users find out how much it is going to cost them to "upgrade" to Vista. Smile

Hopefully, my Cybernightlife project (http://cybernightlife.50megs.com) should be ready in case such a mass migration happens.

I also noticed mention of innovation in the aforementioned article. Some of these "innovations" being put into Vista have already been part of Linux for years. I have yet to see any real innovation come out of that company. Wink

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jjmac · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:21 am Post subject:

I always though MS hw was manufactured under licence ...

Marrea wrote:
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Yes, I do. But I try to keep quiet about it in case I get thrown out
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(grin)

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