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Postby crispibits » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:15 pm

I reckon being an economic historian is like being economic with the truth. You only teach the bits of history you want people to know about... :-)
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Postby TheDoctor » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:03 pm

Economic history is the historical study of economic change. Maybe the word "historical" here is redundant, since history is the study of change.

There are two economic historians in the current UK cabinet (Gordon Brown and John Reid) and one former British Prime Minister (Harold Wilson) was also an economic historian - although he tended to call himself a statistician.
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Postby Marrea » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:06 pm

shifty_ben wrote:
is that

I suggest to everyone here you are wrong - nominative

You are wrong - accusative


OK, this is my interpretation - but more than glad for someone to step in and put me right.

I [subject, nominative] suggest [verb] to [preposition] everyone [indirect object, dative] here [adverb] you are wrong [clause, direct object, accusative]

You [subject, nominative] are [verb] wrong [adjective]
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Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:22 pm

towy71 is trying, despairingly, to push all those worms back into the can ;-)
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Postby shifty_ben » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:23 pm

That looks about right to me, though i have to worry when my jokes are so bad no one even realises they are jokes ;)
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Postby Marrea » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:55 pm

shifty_ben wrote:EDIT 2: Having followed one of the links from there, it seems we were all wrong. Unless my understanding is wrong, the page that deals with less and fewer suggests that

10 items or less

is as correct as

10 items or fewer is

Strangely the first one makes more sense in my head but I think that is largely due to a massive desensitisation from supermarkets.


You're not going to stop me now. :)

"Less" is something you can't define in numbers, such as less butter.

"Fewer" refers to things that can be counted in numbers, such as items in a supermarket.

Therefore the signs above the checkouts should say "10 items or fewer"
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Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:07 pm

towy71 is trying, despairingly, to push all those worms back into the can ;-)
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Postby MartyBartfast » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:08 pm

Marrea wrote:You're not going to stop me now. :)

"Less" is something you can't define in numbers, such as less butter.

"Fewer" refers to things that can be counted in numbers, such as items in a supermarket.

Therefore the signs above the checkouts should say "10 items or fewer"


So what if you've got 11 packs of butter?
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Postby M0PHP » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:10 pm

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Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:10 pm

Marty You can't use this checkout!
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Postby Marrea » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:15 pm

MartyBartfast wrote:So what if you've got 11 packs of butter?


Now what on earth would you want to be doing with 11 packs of butter? :wink:
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Postby towy71 » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:17 pm

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Postby Marrea » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:18 pm



Well, there you go. And what does the second link say?

Even really big supermarkets get this wrong! Checkouts still have signs above them reading "10 items or less" when it should be "10 items or fewer".
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Postby M0PHP » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:27 pm

That sign looks remarkably like a Tesco one :D
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Postby TheDoctor » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:37 pm

Marrea wrote:"Less" is something you can't define in numbers, such as less butter.

"Fewer" refers to things that can be counted in numbers, such as items in a supermarket.


"Fewer" pertains to integers.

"Less" pertains to real numbers.

ie:

Fewer cows mean less beef.


not

Less cows mean fewer beef.
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