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Sexual division of labour

Postby andychannelle » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:18 am

Girls and women can be quite geeky, I think, but they need more inspiration, support (friends not being mean if they're caught reading a Jared Diamond book, for example) and time. Unfortunately, there's more cultural capital to be gained among one's peers as a girl from knowing how much Posh Spice weighs (answer: almost nothing), which member of Blue released his solo single first (answer: Craig (or something)), and the diameter of Nikki from Big Brothers thigh (answer: about the same as my index finger). And this starts very, very young.
My daughter is a dinosaur geek, but she keeps asking for Bratz dolls, which are big-headed, collagen lipped, nylon haired horrors that dress like hookers. But if we buy her a doll, she'll play with it for eight minutes and then go back to the DK Eyewitness Guide to Fossils or a toy brachiosaur. The geek-crushing aspect is that she can't talk about fossils or saurapods with her friends; what they have in common is Bratz. She can conform and become a chav-in-waiting, or become a geeky outcast.
Perhaps schools should stop pandering to fashion and teach basic Linnean taxonomy, latin and computer programming (even just a smidge of HTML) to allow children to acquaint themselves with their inner geek before it is snuffed out by Barbie, Hot Wheels (although Hot Wheels collectors can be geeks, for some reason), and the awful, awful Sugababes.


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RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby jjmac » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:32 am

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Now i'm wondering what a Telegraph reader from Tunbridge Wells sounds like :roll:


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RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Vanders » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:25 am

She can conform and become a chav-in-waiting, or become a geeky outcast.


I know which of those option I'd prefer (Caveat: I'm not a father). While kids attach enormous importance to social status while they're at school, we all know that it's pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. After the age of 16 (Or 18 if you were spody and did A levels), most of us don't ever see the people we went to school with. Suddenly getting a good job becomes more important than knowing what Ashlee and Andy did at the party on Saturday. Unless you're a chav, at any rate.

Anyway, as I understand it with my hilariously poor grasp of psychology, there is a real reason for at least some of the gender disparity: mens brains are better at abstract thought. Men tend to be introvert and women tend to be extrovert. That doesn't mean that women can't be introvert, or men can't be extrovert, but the statistical upshot is that any given man is more likely to be a geek than any given women.

There are women geeks. I can look around the office here and see women in technical roles, including several programers. Personally I'd like to see more women in IT, and far more education for both sexes. Teaching basic "geek" IT subjects such as systems theory, networking and programing would be a good start, coupled with some real encouragement for girls who show aptitude, would be a good start.
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RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Nigel » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:24 am

As the father of a very untypical girl, I do know what Andy means. My daughter is probably considered a geek by many of her classmates; she says she wants to become a "fashion victim", but is still more interested in books & computer games than clothes, gossip etc. When she becomes an adult, her individuality will be a great asset, but as an almost-teenager it doesn't make for an easy ride at times. It takes great courage to stand out from your peers in the early days of secondary school.
All you can do is be supportive, and encourage her interests no matter where they lie.
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RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Rhakios » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:37 pm

Hmm, I notice that most of the comments so far (well all of them really) have been about how to enable/encourage girls to be geeks. There have been none about how to get men to do the washing and ironing ;)
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Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby M0PHP » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:23 pm

Rhakios wrote:washing and ironing ;)


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Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Nigel » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:36 pm

Rhakios wrote:Hmm, I notice that most of the comments so far (well all of them really) have been about how to enable/encourage girls to be geeks. There have been none about how to get men to do the washing and ironing ;)

Maybe that's because some of us do the washing & ironing already ;)
(I blame my years as a jobbing programmer when I moved around a lot and had to do my own washing & ironing or it didn't get done)
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RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby jjmac » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:27 pm

Rhakios wrote:
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There have been none about how to get men to do the washing and ironing
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What about the knitting :) ?


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Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Rhakios » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:04 pm

Nigel wrote:Maybe that's because some of us do the washing & ironing already ;)
(I blame my years as a jobbing programmer when I moved around a lot and had to do my own washing & ironing or it didn't get done)


And those of us who live alone do so perforce.
But it doesn't help with the idle males of Rebecca's acquaintance. In fact I don't know of any way of getting those who won't to do housework: if it just piles up, they leave it, if they are forced to look like tramps, then they look like tramps, if things begin to smell, they open a window - and all because they know that in the end some fool will come along and do it all for them :x

jjmac wrote:What about the knitting :) ?


You'll have to ask Marrea about that, I buy my wool pre-knitted. :)
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RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby GMorgan » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:59 pm

Washing and ironing are the same thing though. You throw the clothes in the machine then in the tumble drier. When the tumble drier is finished you hang them up before they've had a chance to crease. What creases there are drop out over time. QED
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RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby jjmac » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:48 am

In anycase ...

Never believe what they say about 'wash-n-ware'. I tried that once, it's nie on impossible to get a pair of jeans off after a shower. And besides, people can give a person weird looks when your hanging around a clothes line soaking :roll:

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Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby Nigel » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:57 am

Rhakios wrote:...and all because they know that in the end some fool will come along and do it all for them :x


You've met my family, then ? Yup, I'm the fool that comes along & does it all for them :lol:
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RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby andychannelle » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:08 am

I did some ironing yesterday morning - mostly school uniforms - but my wife doesn't like it when I knit, because the results always look better than hers. This is something to do with being ambidextrous which gives you really even (and tight) tension, making everything look fabulous.

This thread is getting very camp isn't it?

Still, you go girlfriends...
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RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby donoreo » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:41 pm

I do my own washing and ironing for a few reasons:

1. My wife puts the heat too high on the dryer and shrinks things.
2. She cannot iron to my standards (I was in the Canadian Navy Reserve)

My wife is not a geek, but she does have her moments. I am hoping that at least one of my twin daughters that are on the way (they are at 32 weeks) will be.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Sexual division of labour

Postby TheDoctor » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:11 pm

donoreo wrote:they are at 32 weeks.


Shouldn't that be 100000 weeks? But a good binary age for a geek, however you write it. :D
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