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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is the case with every version of Windows - it's a legacy from DOS - so the problem is integral to Windows, every flavour

Ah, this is because the visionary Mr. Gates said right at the beginning that nobody would need more than 640Kb of RAM, so in the rudimentary OS that he bought and fiddled with did not handle more than that. Similarly the boss of IBM said that we would need no more than 5 or 6 computers to service everybodies needs Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

towy71 wrote:
TheDoctor wrote:
This is the case with every version of Windows - it's a legacy from DOS - so the problem is integral to Windows, every flavour

Ah, this is because the visionary Mr. Gates said right at the beginning that nobody would need more than 640Kb of RAM, so in the rudimentary OS that he bought and fiddled with did not handle more than that.


No, thats someting else. Bill Gates, like every other member of the human race, finds it perfectly possible to make more than one mistake simutaneously.

towy71 wrote:
Similarly the boss of IBM said that we would need no more than 5 or 6 computers to service everybodies needs Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


I'm not sure why the 'Rolling Eyes'. He was only repeating the comon sense of the time. To understand why repeating common sense may be a stupid thing to do, and to find even worse cases than Watson's lack of vison, read Arthur C. Clarke's Profiles of the Future.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

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donoreo wrote:
I do not understand the people liking 98! I got rid of it as soon as I got 2000 and that was not soon enough! It was horrible, the only things worse were 95 and ME.


A stronger CLI than NT based versions and far less intrusive than later Windows versions. The endless blue screens were even avoidable if you didn't try to remove a floppy disk or anything.


You never ran windows for workgroups 3.1 then Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

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You never ran windows for workgroups 3.1 then Smile

That was WfW 3.11 Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

I used it but very rarely. Windows 95 was the first MS OS I tried to escape from on any regular basis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

towy71 wrote:
wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
You never ran windows for workgroups 3.1 then Smile

That was WfW 3.11 Wink

well, it was just the network enabled w3.1, and whats a .01 version between freinds? Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

What I want to know is where did Windows 3.2-3.10 disappear to or did MS really mean 3.1.1.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

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wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
You never ran windows for workgroups 3.1 then Smile

That was WfW 3.11 Wink


The second W stood for Workgroups? I always thought it was something else Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

back on track...

I can't really see what all the fuss is about. To me it is the same as, say, Ford, now stopping support of the Model T.

As for others experiences with 98, I always found it to be relatively problem free. OK, when we first got our IBM Aptiva back in early 99, it crashed every 10 minutes. The only disc we had was the IBM recovory CD. Running Norton's WinDoctor soon sorted that (148 faults, with 114 of them possibily fatal...). Then I got a genuine copy of Windows 98SE, did a clean instal, and everything ran smoothly.

The said PC is still running Windows 98SE, with a few tweaks and fixes (none of them Microsofts). Too be honest, I have had to do less fixes and fiddles with Windows 98SE to get it doing what I want it to do, smoothly and with no problems, that I have with most Linux distributions.

Now the last of DOS based OS has been dropped from Microsofts sales/support, the honourable thing for them to do would be to open source it! Though I figure Pigs will land on Mars before that happens...

Windows 98 is dead!
Long live Windows 98!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can somebody please explain to me what the support is that Microsoft have ceased to give?

I have been running MS software since 1989. In that time, I have asked for support from MS on two occasions. Neither of these was a particularly satisfactory experience.

The earlier support request ended up with a sensible answer, but it took two phone calls. And it left me feeling dubious about MS technical support. It was in 1994, after I'd bought MS Office to run under Windows 3.1. During the course of my first phone call about this, the MS technician infomed me that it was not possible to integrate the components of MS Office and get them to work together. It took a second phone call before I got someone who actually knew the basics of MicroSoft's own flagship product.

The more recent of the requests was in 1997 when I bought a PC pre-loaded with Windows 95. I phoned about a compatibility problem with some software I had been previously running on Windows 3.1, and was told, effectively, to pig off (though not in those precise words) since I had got W95 through Dell. I was told, more or less in these precise words, Dell had to support me. Dell, on the other hand, said it was MS's job, since they only did hardware. I eventually - fortunately - got an answer from a third party.

I've never bothered to contact MS about any problem I've had under W98SE, since I doubted, given my earlier experiences, that I would get a sensible reply. So I don't think I'm going to notice the difference now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but claiming to end support gives a false impression that they had support to begin with and lets them draw a line in time for the release of bloathorn.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDoctor wrote:
Can somebody please explain to me what the support is that Microsoft have ceased to give?


Yearly security patches?

TheDoctor wrote:
The more recent of the requests was in 1997 when I bought a PC pre-loaded with Windows 95. I phoned about a compatibility problem with some software I had been previously running on Windows 3.1, and was told, effectively, to pig off (though not in those precise words) since I had got W95 through Dell. I was told, more or less in these precise words, Dell had to support me. Dell, on the other hand, said it was MS's job, since they only did hardware. I eventually - fortunately - got an answer from a third party.


We had the same thing with our IBM Aptiva. The installation from the 'recovery' CD was a crock of shi-brown smelly stuff....

I phoned the local Microsoft, who passed the buck to IBM who passed it onto the place we bought it from, who knew sweet FA about PCs and said call Microsoft...

A copy of Norton's utilities and some quick answers from the PCAnswers forum helped fix most problems.[/i]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

towy71 wrote:
wyliecoyoteuk wrote:
You never ran windows for workgroups 3.1 then Smile

That was WfW 3.11 Wink


heh, heh. I have a 33Mhz machine running Wfw 3.11 networked to my Mandrake machine as I write this. It runs a point of sale app. that I wrote some years ago and have never needed to replace. It never gives any trouble, while I learned long ago to just accept the inevitable blue screens with Win98.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

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... while I learned long ago to just accept the inevitable blue screens with Win98.


In nearly seven years, the Aptiva running Windows 98SE has hardly had a BSOD, or any other major failure of Windows.
- Admittedly, I set it up really carefully, removed IE, plus made a few other tweaks and tidying, but it needed nothing more, or rather less work than getting any Linux distribution I've used, to run without hitch.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Windows 9x is finally done Reply with quote

alloydog wrote:

In nearly seven years, the Aptiva running Windows 98SE has hardly had a BSOD, or any other major failure of Windows.
- Admittedly, I set it up really carefully, removed IE, plus made a few other tweaks and tidying, but it needed nothing more, or rather less work than getting any Linux distribution I've used, to run without hitch.


Removing IE will have helped, I'm sure. Just installing IE6 killed one of my W98 installations if I remember correctly.

I still have two W98 partitions. One is used only for a specific video editing app and is stable. The other is used mainly for games and regularily needs to be reinstalled. In my experience trying out new programs rarely affects a Linux distro adversely, but with W98 it is a slippery slope to BSOD Smile
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