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Is PCLINUX best by a mile?
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sentient_one
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Pclinux live cd tr3 (thanks due to to MHOP and spottedcat btw)

sings – installs the soundcard
gives me 1024 x 768, nice and straight
installs samsung 2010 laser printer (though not canon iP1500 which it replaces)
picks up on the wired connection to BT2100 adsl modem router . . .

AND easily installs belkin fsd7050 (rt73 chip) wireless usb adapter

Now, so far as I can quickly assess,
mandriva and ubuntu current versions can do most but the last of above (wireless ability)
Whereas some such as opensuse 10.2 can do little

Will pclinux be matched or bettered as new versions of the other distros are released?

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ps ability to log in as route user for tasks which need this also much appreciated
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

what you've basically said there is that pclos is very up to date. i expect you would get much the same experience with the latest mepis release candidate too.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Wouldn't that be pretty much universally true for most (although not all) distros that let loose very regular updates or versions?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Assuming that you're a newcomer to Linux, then PCLinuxOS is a very good distro to start with - easy to use and install, and has an excellent central configuration centre. I would suggest that it would be a good plan to stick with PCLOS for a while until you get to know Linux better, then maybe have some fun testing other distros later on.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Yes, I do agree PCLinuxOS is a very good distro, for many of the reasons mentioned above. But personally, I prefer deb-based distros.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

I agree PCLinuxOS found and configured everything. although as cups isn't started up on booting the live disc I had to do the printer later but it worked fine (HP1210PSC) It also did the wireless dongle (Belkin 54g, rtf74 driver) perfectly as well.
Mepis 6.5 needed ndiswrapper to do the same and mandriva froze solid everytime I tried to configure the wireless so gave up on it.
Its nice to have things work for a change, I can remember battling with suse 6.2 on my laptop, it took ages just to get a graphical desktop but then you do learn more when you have to struggle a little bit.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Well as a Moderator at the PCLinuxOS board, and a recent recruit to the dev team (though my hacking skills are minimal, but I'm a good problem solver) I can say that PCLOS2007/Test Release 3 is far from bug-free. What I find incredible is the single-mindedness of Texstar and the one or two closest to him, in the standards they set before something is released as "finished".

There are distros out there being released as stable which are far less stable than PCLOS2007/TR3, so much so that it is being used in mission-critical situations. I have loaded up other distros lately notably SuSE from the LXF coverdisk, because I was trying to research why my USB2 storage wouldn't play on my particular mobo, only to find that it was a problem wasn't peculiar to PCLinuxOS. And SuSE's default setup made a right mess of my ethernet connection. I've 3 nic's in my computer, on two of them SuSE picked a poor module/driver (rt61_pci instead of rt61, sklin instead of skge) and insisted on connecting to the internet via eth0 despite the fact that the internet is plugged into eth1.

I have to disagree with those who say that PCLOS is only a beginner's distro. Once you have installed the admittedly SOHO-type default set of software from the LiveCD, you can add all the sysadmin stuff you want. It's quick. Dependency hell is extremely rare and quickly fixed. And increasingly people are joining our site and using our distro who are old hands at Linux and have decided to settle on a distro that allows them to use their computers instead of spending all day setting them up, and one they can pass on to new users.

At the other end, we are getting bugs raised in the Testing Releases by people who have jumped from Windows in the last couple of weeks.

On my laptop I did have a problem with the graphics, I had to change one of the settings (via a GUI) before the xorg-ati driver worked, but once solved setting up was a breeze. And being a good citizen I posted the workaround at the site in case anyone hit the same wall.

USB2 problem aside, the Desktop is solid. I've made several folders from my Desktop readable on my Laptop, it was a breeze via PCLOS control centre. Everything else on both machines worked without too much intervention.

So I would like to thank those in this thread for their kind words, and assert that PCLOS is not only the kind of distro from which we can recruit Windows refugees, but that it can continue to serve users no matter how experienced they become, except maybe where a more "specialist" distro may be needed (and even some of them have used PCLOS as a base!!).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

I certainly didn't mean to imply that PCLOS is ONLY a beginners' distro, but merely that it's a good choice for beginners. I've been using Linux for 10 years, and PCLOS is my distro of choice on my main machine.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

Fair point.

I have to say that whilst I do think PCLOS is my favourite distro, "best by a mile" in the words of the thread starter is a bit exaggerated.

But as a non-specialist distro aimed at a broad SOHO user base, it takes some beating.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

davecs wrote:
it takes some beating.
Who is beating it and with what Wink Razz Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

The problems with USB are not limited to Linux.

Windows XP and Macs have problems with various bits of kit, Windows especially has had the USB support patched and repatched.
I have even had problem with Windows smartphones on USB.

and don't even mention Bluetooth.......

Standard?-what Standard?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Is PCLINUX best by a mile? Reply with quote

USB is a terrible interface, unreliable and heavy on OS resources. Its only saving grace is its hotplug capability. Unfortunately it gets used for everything these days.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'USB is a terrible interface'

From the point of view of the masses of people who buy a PC in the same vain as dvd player, tv etc ...

Surely its a godsend

for their cameras, printer/scanners, webcam, external hard drive, memory stick . . .

I doubt if we'd want to go back to serial, parallel or massive motherboard full of pci slots

Multiplying the ports is so easy

If there were to be a replacement, it would have to be similar in nature (and frankly I'm fed up with interfaces becoming obsolete so quickly)

Wish the plugs snapped in a little more firmly though

Looks like meandering from original thread may be beginning to take hold – plenty of common sense discussion though - 'dont ya think'

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, USB is better on Linux than Windows.
If I plug something into a different port on Windows, I have to reinstall the drivers.
On Linux, it just notes a port change.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish it was obvious which way round the plugs go when fumbling round the back of a computer to connect a printer to whatever. Give me Firewire anyday.
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