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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: How Linux can cause you wind Reply with quote

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I did mentioned carraged. I was thinking of these containers i saw once where a drive was just inserted into it then it could be connected to a controller socked via flat cable. Seemed neat enough, i guess it was designed to give it some stability. But not ultimately neccessary. Just something to plug into as a temporary measure, would do.

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i used to use one for my linux drive before i rebuilt colin they are quite handy in an emergency Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: How Linux can cause you Reply with quote

Howdy slippery,


On thinking on that a bit more, my memory is still a little scratchy, but i saw the thing i'm thinking of at the markets.

iirc, the box/container/housing was designed to take a ide drive, but the cable that came out of it to the pc was usb, not flat cable. So my mistake there. No idea on how it performed.

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Windows XP can't even see the IBM service partition, let alone edit it.
The biggest problem is the 4 part boot sector that IBM Laptops come with.
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Now, that does sound like a conspiracy, of soughts Smile


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: How Linux can cause you Reply with quote

They perform at USB speeds, or Firewire speeds if you have the Firewire version. External SATA hasn't caught on yet, but will be much faster.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: How Linux can cause you Reply with quote

Arrr, so you recognise that nelz ... i suppose it could be thought of as a kind of adapter, if thats the right word. But my memory is scratchy on that. Though it could only have been a year or so ago, maybe two. It didn't seem such a bad idea really.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: How Linux can cause you Reply with quote

You can get adaptors that connect ot an IDE drive and a USB port. I've got one and it's crap. You can also get enclosures that hold a PATA/SATA drive with USB/Firewire connections to the computer. I've got a couple of those and they are pretty good but limited by the 480Mb/s and 400Mb/s maximum speeds of USB 2.0 and Firewire.

I do find the Firewire connection slightly faster, despite the lower spec speed, which just goes to prove there are lie, damn lies and specifications.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

hmmmm, well, it would seem that the flat cable plugged into a direct ide port is the go there Smile. It may take up some space on the side of a laptop, but that could be designed in. Possibly a hatch or sliding door could be used to keep the look smooth.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

There are two problems with that, ATA is not hot-pluggable and the maximum cable length is short and...

There are three problems with that, ATA is not hot-pluggable and the maximum cable length is short and the cables do not carry power unless you limit yourself to laptop drives.

eSATA deals with the first two and uses a far more compact cable with a maximum length of 2m.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

There not problems, just aspects. As the suggestion is to cover a 'when nothing else is available' recovery/emergency situation. Not as a concurrency. Especially when the inclusion would be trivial to design in. And as laptops are exercises in portable functionality, or at least should be.

If someone has just run off a cliff and are sitting on a ledge ... who cares what colour the rope is.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

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If someone has just run off a cliff and are sitting on a ledge ... who cares what colour the rope is.

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It has to be blue, I just couldn't face being rescued with a pink rope
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

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If someone has just run off a cliff and are sitting on a ledge ... who cares what colour the rope is.

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It has to be blue, I just couldn't face being rescued with a pink rope
ooh it would have to be biodegradable too Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

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There not problems, just aspects. As the suggestion is to cover a 'when nothing else is available' recovery/emergency situation. Not as a concurrency. Especially when the inclusion would be trivial to design in. And as laptops are exercises in portable functionality, or at least should be.


All laptops already have this built in, in the form of USB ports. OK, it's slow, but in an emergency, who cares how fast the rope is?

If you're that stuffed that you really need to connect an IDE drive directly to a laptop, open the case Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

Lots will be reluctant, maybe the compaction would get in the way there. I can just imagine my niece Ally, opening a laptop case. The last time she tried to cut along the perfs on a cd/dvd wallet , oops Smile. But she can insert a disc with the ease of a gun slinger. So maybe ...

It would be a legacy inclusion, true, and i'm sure it would somewhat bemuse the costing dept, but, it would be a good thing, like having a floppy drive available. But i can see how the port may crowd the design. The angle would have to be a suggestion, that it would help the customer believe that the company is actually thinking of them after all, and so be good for the business. (lol)

Pink rope (grin) ... Yes, never except 2nd best, even when stuck on a ledge, ... i agree there. I'd probably time out trying to decide on a colour though.

Biodegradable ! , real rope for the aesthetics, but it does tend to degrade a bit, just when it's needed too. I had a mild call with some old rope recently while doing some tree lopping. Nylon saved the day.

Ropes one of those things that, along with floppies and gaff tape, it's always good to have some around.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: How to get yourself shot by the designing dept ! Reply with quote

Biodegradable Laughing
A friend of ours stored her christmas ornaments in the loft in Somerfield carrier bags, not realising that they are biodegradable..
Next year, she picked them up, and the ornaments went everywhere. Embarassed
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