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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: College Reply with quote

I'm doing a HNC in computing and I have to do a MCDST. Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician that is. Which totally sucks, for 3 reasons; 1) I have to pay for all the books and exams, 2) It has nothing to do with the college, it's all run by Microsoft and 3) It takes away 4 hours of time that could be used to do something more useful.

I don't get it, when I first had it I asked what was up with basically training us all to run Windows crap, they said it almost guarantees me a job when I leave. But I'm here to bloody well learn, not to get a job at Dell's support call center, it's bad enough there is no in-depth classes on other OS's or FOSS. We just lightly touch on 'that Linux thing' in VirtualPC.

Ah well, at least when I do the degree I might be able to learn something.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

That sucks. At my 6th Form college, we had to study from a textbook that said that Bill Gates invented BASIC!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

Perhaps you misread:

Quote:
Compared to other operating systems, Bill Gates's invention was basic.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

Hah! If only...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

I'm not sure that you can say that Bill Gates invented anything Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

Being incredibly rich and famous for being a geek?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: RE: College Reply with quote

Smile

Reading my post again I'd just like to clarify: I'm not some Windows hating Linux fan boy. The course is totally independent from the college, anyone can sign up and do it. It just annoys me we are being forced into doing it. It has even caused the college to condense two classes into one, it's only been the first week and already people are falling behind.

Just imagine it, turn up first day expecting to learn how to code the Matrix or something only to be told you have to do this Microsoft stuff first, Oh yeah, and thats a few hundred pound onto of your actual student fees.

Seriously, I'm already in debt having to pay for all these books on the first bloody day.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: College Reply with quote

Kev1729 wrote:

Ah well, at least when I do the degree I might be able to learn something.


Actually, you will probably have to UN-learn most of what you learnt already, and learn to do it "properly".

My daughter dumped her secondary degree in Photography when the tutor was dismayed that she wanted to know more about how to use a camera. (especially when she turned up with a well used SLR- most of the other candidates had snap cameras, 2 had no camera at all)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: RE: Re: College Reply with quote

Odd. It is frustrating when college's make out that Windows is the best thing that ever existed - I had a gutsful of a tutor always going on about how much Microsoft rules for making "brilliant" software - she particularly liked .NET.

The only linux they ever did was in Web Management - "Has anyone ever heard of a LAMP server? There is a popular operating system called Linux....(etc)." The real shock came when only 3 people in the class had even heard of Linux :s. Someone even asked "How do I install it on Windows? Do I need server 2003?".
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all universities are that bad. I'm glad to say that FOSS and Linux are embraced by the university I'll be attending for the next few years. They run Debian on a lot of their servers and have a computer society which, from the website's content, seems more like a mini LUG.

C in first year, advanced C in second year and then Java in third year. Bring it on!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have I misunderstood the original post, or does it take four hours to get your MCDST?

1. Is it plugged in?
2. Switch it off and on again.
3. Re-install the software.
4. Re-install Windows.

Four hours seems a bit much.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In four hours could you actually install windows and all the other stuff that you need to use Windblows Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not with the users I use to speak to, half of them thought the monitor on/off button was also the power button for the base unit.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

towy71 wrote:
all the other stuff that you need to use Windblows Shocked


Not if you're on a dialup internet connection. Those security updates and bugfixes take days.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In four hours could you actually install windows and all the other stuff that you need to use Windblows Shocked


Depends, last Thursday it took me 4 hours to install 1 program (Equitrac Express) on a win2K server.
It went something like this:
Install Equitrac Express:
goes to :
Install .netFx- "cannot install, because xxx.dll is too old". (this is on a server with all the service packs and upgrades installed, and a brand new shiny install CD).

search ms website, validate, install xxx.dll. reboot

"cannot install, because xxx.cab is wrong version"(despite it being a freshly downloaded .netfx package)
search ms website, validate, install xxx.cab. reboot

installed .netfx. reboot

install sqlexpress5:

runs through install, "hardware does not meet requirements"
search ms website, find that this is because there is not enough space on C:
Delete 4.5GB of HP temp files(well it is a print server-sigh) reboot

runs through install, "sql client could not be installed because xxx.dll is not available"
search ms website, find that this is because a failed install does not remove all files.
Uninstall sql client, reboot, reinstall- it worked! reboot

install Equitrac server and admin utilities, reboot.
license server, reboot.

etc,etc,etc.

lunchtime....

Note that all the problems were with the MS applications required for EE to function.

In total the install has taken 3 days so far, but that does include the java clients on the MFPs, the remote utilities, the print drivers and ports, configuring the accounts, configuring the MFPs, linking to AD, setting up security, etc., etc.

And we haven't even talked about centralised scanning or document trails, "follow me printing" queues, virtual printer redirection, and the 2 PCCV2 java licenses that activate online then fail to apply, with a weird error.....
And we have to train them how to use it all.


This is all to manage printing and photocopying on 11 MFPs (and god knows how many laser printers) at a new school with 1200 pupils.

And I find that a complete windowsXP pro install and configure takes at least 4 hours, and at least 12 reboots.
Depends on how fast your PC is, on how many apps you need, and how fussy you are about whether they work properly or not.
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