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Postby Flea » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:57 am

I recently purchased a copy of Debian Linux from cheaplinux as I have been interested in trying it out for a couple of years now. However I am having a bit of bother installing the damn thing. How about an install guide for Debian in LXF? I know there are online install guides, but I am lazy and I like the LXF guides, they are easy to follow (you lot are writers after all, you know how to write for the rest of us).

I believe this would help lots of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to install Debian and reap the rewards of an apt-get system. I know about Ubuntu btw, tested it and didn't like it that much, it was too slow.

Well then?
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RE: Debian

Postby phil_m » Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:44 am

Mind if I ask which version of Debian you've got? If you bought Debian stable (Woody), you're probably going to be out of luck if you're trying to install it on new hardware: Woody is almost three years old at this stage.
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Re: Debian

Postby mugstar » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:14 pm

Flea wrote:I know about Ubuntu btw, tested it and didn't like it that much, it was too slow.


If you thought Ubuntu was slow, then you're pretty much out of luck with Debian. As phil_m said, 'woody' is ancient. Ubuntu is probably the most up-to-date 'out of the box' Debian-based distro you can get.

If you configure the sources for apt-get under Ubuntu to allow 'universe' and 'multiverse' (don't ask, see http://ubuntuguide.org) you have acess to everything you would have under Debian and probably more besides.

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RE: Re: Debian

Postby towy71 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:46 pm

perhaps me thick but what does Kubuntu ro><ors!!!11!! mean?
I love Kubuntu cos I'm a simpleton and KDE is pretty shiny nice nice nice :P :lol: :wink: 8)
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Re: RE: Debian

Postby Flea » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:16 pm

phil_m wrote:Mind if I ask which version of Debian you've got?


The box says version 3.0r4. My pc isn't very new though, a xp1700 376mb ram 40gb hdd etc.

I didn't think it mattered if the box version was old anyway? I thought you could update all the software online to the latest version, that *is* what I want apt for after all, easy upgrades! What about the unstable (sid I think its called) what age software is in there? Can I get kernel 2.6.x? latest KDE etc. ?
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RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby Rhakios » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:47 pm

what does Kubuntu ro><ors!!!11!! mean?


Looks a bit like l33t speak to me, I expect ro><ors is supposed to mean rocks, though why something being unstable should be a good thing beats me. ;)
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RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby towy71 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:51 pm

Kubuntu runs Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-k7 and KDE3.4 and runs nicely on my xp1200 512Mb ram
and apt runs sweet as a nut :lol:
two commands got my Nvidia card working, can't remember them now but they are somewhere on the ubuntu wiki page
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby evilnick » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:17 pm

towy71 wrote:two commands got my Nvidia card working, can't remember them now but they are somewhere on the ubuntu wiki page
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby Rhakios » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:20 pm

Just as a matter of interest Nick, why is your on-line bulb red while everyone else's is green?
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby towy71 » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:23 pm

its cos he is evil ;-)
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby Rhakios » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:33 pm

Hmm, his light's just gone out, says it all really :P
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Debian

Postby mugstar » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:34 pm

The Debian developers have just elected a new project leader (see http://tinyurl.com/3we4a). I think forcing Debian onto a more acceptable release schedule is one of his main aims.

(ro><ors: adj., opposite of su><us, Isuppose. I dunno, I'm too old for it. Can't do irony very well either...)
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Re: Debian

Postby Erin » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:31 pm

Flea wrote:I recently purchased a copy of Debian Linux from cheaplinux as I have been interested in trying it out for a couple of years now. However I am having a bit of bother installing the damn thing. How about an install guide for Debian in LXF? I know there are online install guides, but I am lazy and I like the LXF guides, they are easy to follow (you lot are writers after all, you know how to write for the rest of us).

I believe this would help lots of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to install Debian and reap the rewards of an apt-get system. I know about Ubuntu btw, tested it and didn't like it that much, it was too slow.

Well then?


What problems are you having. Debian is easy to install once you can get your head around some computing fundementals. I run a semi-unstable Wooid hybrid. Am sure if you ask, we can help you get a good OS onto your drive.

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RE: Re: Debian

Postby jjmac » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:18 am

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ro><ors!!!11!!
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raws ??, as in what a tiger does in triumph after having just bagged a missionary. Not sure about the rest(not to sure about the first either) :)


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The box says version 3.0r4. My pc isn't very new though, a xp1700 376mb ram 40gb hdd etc.

I didn't think it mattered if the box version was old anyway? I thought you could update all the software online to the latest version, that *is* what I want apt for after all, easy upgrades!
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r4, really, thats good. deb provide a snapshot of stable from time to time but it's meant more as a proof of concept rather than as a distro, at least in the way a distro is probably most commonly though of.


If you don't mind down loading etc, then why not. A generic deb has a certain untainted feel to it. A bit like wearing a jacket with out having the logo patch stiched on the wrong side. You don't have to update the whole thing at once, but i think kde would probably be a quick desire :)



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what about the unstable (sid I think its called) what age software is in there?
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If you want the very latest with good hw detection etc, why not look into one of the deb based distros. Which are, by definition, debian. If you didn't like Ubuntu, there are others.

Sid is the unstable branch. It's provided so that people may use it, and find buggs, if any. It will represent the most recent packages. If a package stays in unstable for a given time, with out any major problems, not neccessarily without bugs, all sw has bugs to some degree, then it will migrate to "testing", aka "sarge". There testing is continued, but no new features or alterations will be allowed. And there it stays untill an actual new release is anounced. The r1, r2, etc incrementals, they are the woody release from june/july 2002, but with some bug/security fixes applied. Not updated in the general sense of an upstream version update.


woodys installer, as i remember it, is __really__ primitive. It almost borders on braindead. But that is from early 2002. Apparently they have a new installer for sarge/sid that folks seem to speak well of. It needs to be down loaded and placed on a cdrom though.

Sid is actually just as stable as any other piece of software around, and will generally be the latest upstream version of it. All the issues associated with sid mostly concern Policy. Deb has this concept of GNU FSF Policy which all things deb orbit.


Like the above post, go for it and just post the issues :)


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RE: Re: Debian

Postby david » Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:31 pm

Quickest way to get started with Debian is to grab a netinst ISO for Sarge (Google for it - It's pretty easy to find). It's about 110Mb to download, but it will download the latest stuff from the Sarge Debian branch (aka 'testing') during the install. Every box I build uses this now, and it's nice and small enough to fit on a tiny CD-R so I can take it lots of places.
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