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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acer Aspire 1 and an external hard drive for all the picture etc, I did the same with an Asus for about 6 months.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: RE: Re: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

Sorry I thought he said "notebook" and in that case Acer would be great if it has no Cd/Dvd to mess with.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

Haakin wrote:

gn2 wrote:
I would suggest one of these.


It seems to be really nice. The only drawbacks are the size, it seems to be a little bit heavier, and the duration of the battery. It says that it last 2.25 hours and I'd like to have a bigger battery, if possible. In fact Idon't know how long the battery of the other options last.


A very valid point.
When considering netbook specs, look at the battery capacity, they vary quite a bit from 2200mah to 6600mah.
The Eee901 has a 6600mah as standard and bigger ones up to 10000mah are readily available (ebay) for most of the Eee range apart from the 900A which has a different sized battery connector.
You can reasonably expect six hours on the standard battery from an Eee 901.

Higher capacity batteries are also available for the HP2133, but if long battery life and compact size are high on the wishlist, definitely go for an Eee901.
The Windows one can be cheaper than the Linux one.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146033
http://tinyurl.com/dxm5bp
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

Of course it can be cheaper, you get less hardware. The Windows version has 4+8GB SSDs while the Linux one has 4+16GB.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

nelz wrote:
Of course it can be cheaper, you get less hardware. The Windows version has 4+8GB SSDs while the Linux one has 4+16GB.


Compare the cost to a consumer of an Xp licence with 8gb of SD card or flash drive.

Strictly in monetary terms, it can easily be argued that the Windows Eee901 is the better buy.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/114048
http://tinyurl.com/czm3nu
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

Thanks for all the answers. There are a lot of thing to think about.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

gn2 wrote:
Compare the cost to a consumer of an Xp licence with 8gb of SD card or flash drive.

Strictly in monetary terms, it can easily be argued that the Windows Eee901 is the better buy.


A flash drive cannot replace an SSD. The Windows could only even be considered as a better buy if you wanted to run Windows on the thing, which the OP does not.

In fact, the price of the two models is the same, you either get something useful (8GB of internal storage) or something less useful. The price difference is purely because you are comparing two different retailers. If you look at both devices on Misco's site, the one you quoted for the Linux version, you'll see the Windows version is actually more expensive.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

Storage is storage whether it's internal, SD or USB flash.
The prices that I linked to are the cheapest I could find for the Eee901.
A Windows Eee901 from Ebuyer can have Linux installed on it for free if that's what the OP wants, including the cost of 8gb of additional storage, it's still cheaper than a Linux one from Misco.
If you want to tie yourself to one retailer, i.e. Misco in this instance, that's up to you, but I prefer to shop around.
Looking around, these are the lowest prices I can find.
Eee901 with Windows = £240 with free delivery from Ebuyer
Eee901 with Linux = £251 inc delivery from Misco
If The OP ever decides to sell it on, the residual value will be higher for one with a Windows licence than one without, and will have wider appeal.
There is also the possibility of declining the EULA and claiming a refund on the unwanted Windows licence for additional savings.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Help me choosing a netbook Reply with quote

gn2 wrote:
Storage is storage whether it's internal, SD or USB flash.


SSD is faster than SD
SSD uses more sophisticated wear-levelling than SD
Even with more SSD, you can still add an SDHC card for more transient storage, but anything permanent needs to be on the SSD as there is only one SD slot.

USB is a non-starter, you don't buy an ultra-compact netbook then have a 2" flashdrive sticking out the side.

Of course, if you want Windows, that option is worth considering, but for a Linux user, given the choice between more storage or a useless licence at the same price (transient discount levels notwithstanding) I know which way I'd go.

Or you could ask Ebuyer why they won't stock the Linux model at the same price. (For that matter, you could ask Misco why they charge more for the Windows unit, hen the RRP is the same for both).

I did buy my 900 from Misco, but only because they had them in stock.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True what you say about the advantages of SSD over other storage forms, however even with the Linux model additional storage will be required because 20gb just isn't enough.

Further, SSD's wear levelling advantages are good for / but for /media the advantages are marginal because the number of writes will be minimal.

All academic really, The Eee901 only wins on battery life and compact size, when other factors are placed higher up the wishlist, e.g. build quality, screen resolution, keyboard, storage capacity, the best VFM today (by a long way) is the HP2133 which was the first one I linked to in the thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether 20GB is enough depends on your usage, for Internet usage (it is a netbook, after all) 20GB is plenty, although 12GB would be tight. If you want to use it for photos or videos, then you can use the SD slot.

It's true that wear-levelling is less important for /media, but what about /home. Mail and browser caches get a lot of writes.

The HP looks good, but I've a slight aversion to Via CPUs and a total phobia when it comes to Broadcom wireless chipsets, having used an iBook for several years Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True about the writes to /home, which is why I would leave it in the SSD and use /media for storing files.

Separate /home partitions are perhaps not as necessary as once they were, with the option to preserve files in /home during a clean install.
Well Ubuntu does, not sure about the rest.

From what I've read, the wireless chipset in the HP2133 works just fine with Linux.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a separate /home is essential on a low powered portable computer. It allows me to use an encrypted filesystem for /home without the extra overhead of using encryption on the system directories.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, it's a terrible thing paranoia.

Seriously though, it's probably a good idea if you store sensitive stuff on your laptop.
I don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a netbook, used for email and web browsing. Therefore it contains sensitive information Smile
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